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67.136.137.114 07:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Now I see that several of my comments here on the discussion page have been removed. This Mary Kay section, article and discussion page, is totally out of control. Trying to provide factual information in a neutral POV manner is a waste of time. Rsue 05:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Amber luxor 17:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

"Thirdly, abandon this article, because the pro-MK side, and the anti-MK side will not even agree on the basic facts about Mary Kay Cosmetics." Good point. Basic facts are basic facts whether one is pro or anti Mary Kay. This article is being completely taken over by the anti-Mary Kay side and any attempt at NPOV is hopeless.Rsue 18:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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Deleting Sections / Reverting the Article

Amber luxor wrote this on: 22:17, 1 January 2007 Amber luxor (Talk | contribs) "(Revewrted to a vfersion tanht the Kay bots hate, becuase it reprewents a more accur4ate picture of Mary Kay Inc)"

Could we please pay attention to what is being done here on this article? Let's refrain from name-calling. Yes, "Kay bots" is name-calling. Amber luxor does not necessarily write the most NPOV. The statement above clearly shows a bias against Mary Kay Cosmetics.

I have deleted a couple of specific portions because there is no verifiable source for those statements. I have also edited a couple of words here and there to reflect a greater degree of accuracy and NPOV. The history on the article will show the specifics.

Is it really necessary to do the whole revert thing when simply editing a couple of words or phrases will reflect accuracy and NPOV? Enough already. Rsue 06:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

In "The Sales Force" section I added the words "gross" and "potentially" for the simple reason that they do portray greater accuracy and NPOV. Using the phrase "gross profits" makes it clear to the reader that this is the profit before all expenses are paid. Using the word "potentially" regarding being paid commissions reflects greater accuracy because there can be circumstances under which the "recruiter" may not receive any commissions. Constantly doing article reverts, going back and forth, with and without these two words is not necessary.

I want to also point out that there is no discussion here on the talk page as to the reasoning for these constant reverts. Rsue 07:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

ATTENTION PLEASE: To those engaged in the edit war: Under the earnings section, Canadian earnings specifically, someone snuck into this phrase "you suck", " Close to 50% you suck of more than $100 Canadian Currency;". I have edited out the "you suck" and put back in "earned commissions". Please, when you all do your next edit/undo/edit/undo/revert/un-revert/etc., please make sure "you suck" stays gone. Thank you. Rsue 23:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Before deleting a section in the main article, discuss it here. Likewise discuss a reversion of the entire article here.

• Company History is redundant, since the tables "Markets Mary Kay is In", and "Mary Kay Sales Figures" contains the same data;
• The section "Products" needs to be fleshed out;
  • As far as the Date Codes go, I purchased a product with a date code of 2C20 earlier this year. Keep it in, as a "public service";
• The entire section "The Sales Force" needs to be copy edited;
• The "Rewards" section is missing information about the Mink Coat. PETA originally protested the Mink Coats that Mary Kay Ash gave out --- not the animal testing;
• There are some issues that "Criticism of the Company" does not list. See the section "Controversy Section Discussion" on this page for more details;
• The section "Cultural Influence" is iffy. At least two images of Mary Kay have found their way into popular culture. The "Pink Cadillac" was immortalized in a popular song;
• There is information in this article that Mary Kay (Corporate) will probably want πeople not know about. "The Ninety Day Clause" being an obvious example.

Amber luxor 18:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted to the last reasonable version of the article. Let's start from here and add things one by one. This rewrite done by Jonathon Blake (mostly under anon IPs, but also under logins jonathon and amberluxor) is terrible and we need to make this article RELEVANT. Lots of irrelevant stuff has been put in during the zillion rewrites.

Amber luxor 06:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with BlueAmy (her comment on 07:36, 5 November 2006). I also agree with Amber luxor on "Company History is redundant, since the tables "Markets Mary Kay is In", and "Mary Kay Sales Figures" contains the same data;". However, I don't agree with keeping in the date code information. Consumers can find out about date codes, age of a product, by asking the consultant or Mary Kay, Inc.

Amber luxor, from where/whom did you purchase this product with the date code of "2C20"? That product is 14 years old! My recomendation is that you return that product to the consultant from whom you purchased it. Rsue 16:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Amber luxor 23:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The section in the article on the "Turnover Rate" should be edited. The 85% turnover rate based on the Canadian Earnings Representation is inaccurate. The number of consultants who were in for more than one year and did not receive a commission is not available, therefore, a turnover rate cannot be extrapolated. Also, the purpose of this Canadian Earnings Representation is about commission earnings, not sales force turnover. Too much necessary data is lacking to determine a turnover rate. Rsue 03:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

The "Inventory Loading" section should be deleted, or severely edited. Use of the word "Loading", and the term "Front loading" and it's explanation are POV, not neutral at all. At the end of this section, someone added at paragraph which is accurate. Rsue 03:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Can a business case be made that the average consultant will sell more than $1800 of product in a year? That is sapphire level.

Amber luxor 23:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

$1800 in a year is not sapphire level. These levels are Star Consultant levels, i.e. single order or cumulative quarterly orders, not annual orders.

This article is supposed to be a NPOV article about Mary Kay Cosmetics specifically. "Front loading" and "Inventory loading" are more accurately jargon that is common among the anti-MLM people and anti-Mary Kay people. These phrases are very much POV and not at all neutral. "Issues" should be in the controversary section, not the main article.

A simple title of "Inventory", one single word, is neutral, neither for nor against. Rsue 16:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

This is supposed to be NPOV. Neutral; taking neither side; not for or against; neither pro or con. Neutral. Wikipedia is also not the propanda tool for websites.

Is there nothing Wikipedia can do, even here in the discussion area, to prevent such postings as done by 4.246.205.235 and 4.246.206.208? Perhaps the mention of those two web sites is merely a ploy for site advertisement. Wikipedia, is there anyway to